Chain of Responsibility

CuteKitten2C · 09-23-2005, 07:23 AM

I once again decided to post this here rather than in any of the other threads because I did not write it and just thoguht the rest of you might find it interesting. What are you thoughts after reading this?

In case you aren't familiar with how our government is SUPPOSED to work: The chain of responsiblity for the protection of the citizens in New Orleans is:
1. The Mayor
2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of the Governor who reports to the Governor)
3. The Governor
4. The Head of Homeland Security
5. The President

What did each do?
1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President). Then he failed to provide transportation for those without transport even though he had hundreds of buses at his disposal.

2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan for a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames the Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much for political appointees)

3. The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal troops and aid. Until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit.

4. The Director of Homeland Security positioned assets in the area to be ready when the Governor called for them

5. The President urged a mandatory evacuation, and even declared a disaster State of Emergency, freeing up millions of dollars of federal assistance, should the Governor decide to use it.

Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

The disaster in New Orleans is what you get after decades of corrupt government going all the way back to Huey Long.

Funds for disaster protection and relief have been flowing into this city for decades, and where has it gone, but into the pockets of the politicos and their friends.

The sad thing is that there are many poor folks who have suffered and died needlessly because those that they voted into office failed them.

For those who missed item 5 (where the President's level of accountability is discussed), it is made more clear in a New Orleans Times-Picayune article dated August 28:

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - In the face of a catastrophic Hurricane Katrina, a mandatory evacuation was ordered Sunday for New Orleans by Mayor Ray Nagin.

Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists, would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort for people to go, including the Superdome.

The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave the city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlines had already cancelled all flights.

Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding. (emphasis mine)

The ball was placed in Mayor Nagin's court to carry out the evacuation order. With a 5-day heads-up, he had the authority to use any and all services to evacuate all residents from the city, as documented in a city emergency preparedness plan. By waiting until the last minute, and failing to make full use of resources available within city limits, Nagin and his administration fell short.short.

As for Mayor Nagin, he and his profile in pathetic leadership police chief should resign as well. That city's government is incompetent from one end to the other. The people of New Orleans deserve better than this crowd of clowns is capable of giving them.

If you're keeping track, 569 buses on hand, could have carried
33,350 people out of New Orleans-in one trip-but got ruined in the floods. Whatever plan these guys had, it was a dud.

As for all the race-baiting rhetoric and Bush-bashing coming from prominent blacks on the left, don't expect Ray Nagin to be called out on the carpet for falling short. You want to know why? Here's why: It's more convenient to blame a white president for what went wrong than to hold a black mayor and his administration accountable for gross negligence and failing to fully carry out an established emergency preparedness plan.

To hold Nagin and his administration accountable for dropping the ball amounts to letting loose the shouts and cries of "Racism!". It's sad, it's wrong, but it's standard operating procedure for the media and left-wing black leadership.

Mark my words: you will not hear a word of criticism from Jesse Jackson Sr., Randall Robinson, the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP, or Kanye West being directed toward Clarence Ray Nagin Jr. Why? Because he is just another black politician instead of a responsible elected official who happens to be black. In the mindset of more-blacker-than-thou blacks, black politicians who are on their side can do no wrong.

iburn · 09-23-2005, 10:03 AM

however, lets not forget that Dub-Ya continued playing golf & kickin' back after he heard about Hurricane Katrina's initial destruction to New Orleans....thats the best part

CuteKitten2C · 09-23-2005, 10:07 AM

Yes but if he had already offered his support and resources way before it even happened then what was he supposed to do? He can not overstep his boundaires as far as state v. federal stuff goes.

I am not saynig that it wasn't odd and that it was ok but it is unfair to blame everything on him like people have been doing. He is not God, he can not controlt he weather. All he can do is offer help and resources which he did before it even happened. If someone refused help, that is their fault not the person offering.

iburn · 09-23-2005, 01:06 PM

nah, im not totally blaming him, but he does hold a big responsibilty- they all do....the whole situation with no rescue vehicles being sent even though vans & news crews could get in ok totally was unacceptable.

CuteKitten2C · 09-23-2005, 01:12 PM

I agree that the whole thing was handled poorly. I am just saying that people who act like Bush sat back and did nothing are ignorant. If the major would have allowed all those busses to take people out before hand a lot of the death could have been avoided.

The whole situation is just sad. And I think there was too much time and engergy put into blaming someone at the beging instead of concentrating on helping.

Geronimo · 09-23-2005, 02:13 PM

But see as far as that go's when Jeb finds that a hurricane is on the way to florida..He calls brother and says hey I am going to need some funds. He has not Forgotten that responsabillity as far as his Govanatorial Term has went. It has to be asked for...He calls out the National Guard..and calls Bubba. As For the Gov. of La.

I read on one thing he did not even bother with calling the N.G. until the day it hit. When most of them had already flead for Ark. and Tex.

Which will unfortunatly mean another Bush will run for Pres.

iburn · 09-23-2005, 09:06 PM

Johnboat · 09-26-2005, 05:51 PM

Wow, this is why I'm looking forward to an investigation in to this whole thing. I've been reading more and more contradictory news articles concerning this whole thing.

texascwby692000 · 09-27-2005, 11:30 AM

you know i have been reading alot about this also..... i have seen that most everyone wants to blame the President Bush for not acting quickly enough and blaming hime for everything that is and has happened there in LA.... now granted i am probably one of the few people here who actually like what he is doin.... but he cant be everywhere at the same time..... he gave LA money, he was there after all the storm had passed.... hell they had food and water there.... they just didnt like it...... all you have seen on the TV is that they didnt have food or water there.... BS!!!!!! they had bottled water and MRE's.... now granted MRE's SUCK BIG TIME.... but it was food.... i guess all i have to say is get off President Bush's ass.... he is doin what he can.....

CuteKitten2C · 09-27-2005, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texascwby692000

now granted i am probably one of the few people here who actually like what he is doin....

I am a Bush supporter as well. I dont agree with everything he has done but no politician, or person for that matter, is perfect. And I think so far with all the things he has had to deal with while he has been in office he has done a good job. And i certainly dont envy him his job at all.

Geronimo · 09-28-2005, 12:07 AM

Look don't get what I have said before Wrong. I have voted for Republican Presidential Nomanee the last 3 votes now.

and my thought is that if we were not in the republican war against terorists we would be in a war against the Comunists of either Korea or China that the last Occupant of the White House was trying to get us into. I would Rather our boys and girls be at home than fighting either of them. I just wish we would have some one besides the incumbant run for president some times. But its always no lets stay with what we have.

RunsonInsanity · 09-28-2005, 12:21 AM

I wouldn't get your hopes on those words Chris, because from what I hear, the war with China is NEXT!

I have heard several people talking about it!

Geronimo · 09-28-2005, 12:35 AM

Oh I do not doubt it. and Hi by the way.

RunsonInsanity · 09-28-2005, 12:37 AM

Hi! Don't want Teresa to get mad with me for going off topic, or anything, but glad to see your back, and I missed ya, even though I haven't been around much myself! Gotta get in the bed though, the girls will be up early!!!!!

Johnboat · 09-28-2005, 01:01 AM

China, yup.

Asia is an unstable region. Unstable enough that I'm surprised that it doesn't get more attention other than North Korea making headlines every once and awhile.

Hell, Japan is preparing to rewrite its constitution. After WWII it was written in their constitution that they were to ONLY have DEFENSIVE armed forces. They're scared and now want to change that.

Personally, I'm not scared of North Korea. It's the Cuba of the region.

If anything is going to set off hostilities in that region it's when/if China stops making threats and actually attempts to invade Taiwan.

I wrote a paper for a history class about five years ago that involved world super powers over the course of human history. At the end of the paper I put in a prediction: an Asian country would be the next super power after America fades/falls.

09-23-2005, 07:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
CuteKitten2C Sexy Party Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Washington Age: 25 Posts: 6,338 My Mood:	Chain of Responsibility I once again decided to post this here rather than in any of the other threads because I did not write it and just thoguht the rest of you might find it interesting. What are you thoughts after reading this? In case you aren't familiar with how our government is SUPPOSED to work: The chain of responsiblity for the protection of the citizens in New Orleans is: 1. The Mayor 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of the Governor who reports to the Governor) 3. The Governor 4. The Head of Homeland Security 5. The President What did each do? 1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President). Then he failed to provide transportation for those without transport even though he had hundreds of buses at his disposal. 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan for a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames the Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much for political appointees) 3. The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal troops and aid. Until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit. 4. The Director of Homeland Security positioned assets in the area to be ready when the Governor called for them 5. The President urged a mandatory evacuation, and even declared a disaster State of Emergency, freeing up millions of dollars of federal assistance, should the Governor decide to use it. Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. The disaster in New Orleans is what you get after decades of corrupt government going all the way back to Huey Long. Funds for disaster protection and relief have been flowing into this city for decades, and where has it gone, but into the pockets of the politicos and their friends. The sad thing is that there are many poor folks who have suffered and died needlessly because those that they voted into office failed them. For those who missed item 5 (where the President's level of accountability is discussed), it is made more clear in a New Orleans Times-Picayune article dated August 28: NEW ORLEANS (AP) - In the face of a catastrophic Hurricane Katrina, a mandatory evacuation was ordered Sunday for New Orleans by Mayor Ray Nagin. Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists, would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort for people to go, including the Superdome. The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave the city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlines had already cancelled all flights. Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding. (emphasis mine) The ball was placed in Mayor Nagin's court to carry out the evacuation order. With a 5-day heads-up, he had the authority to use any and all services to evacuate all residents from the city, as documented in a city emergency preparedness plan. By waiting until the last minute, and failing to make full use of resources available within city limits, Nagin and his administration fell short.short. As for Mayor Nagin, he and his profile in pathetic leadership police chief should resign as well. That city's government is incompetent from one end to the other. The people of New Orleans deserve better than this crowd of clowns is capable of giving them. If you're keeping track, 569 buses on hand, could have carried 33,350 people out of New Orleans-in one trip-but got ruined in the floods. Whatever plan these guys had, it was a dud. As for all the race-baiting rhetoric and Bush-bashing coming from prominent blacks on the left, don't expect Ray Nagin to be called out on the carpet for falling short. You want to know why? Here's why: It's more convenient to blame a white president for what went wrong than to hold a black mayor and his administration accountable for gross negligence and failing to fully carry out an established emergency preparedness plan. To hold Nagin and his administration accountable for dropping the ball amounts to letting loose the shouts and cries of "Racism!". It's sad, it's wrong, but it's standard operating procedure for the media and left-wing black leadership. Mark my words: you will not hear a word of criticism from Jesse Jackson Sr., Randall Robinson, the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP, or Kanye West being directed toward Clarence Ray Nagin Jr. Why? Because he is just another black politician instead of a responsible elected official who happens to be black. In the mindset of more-blacker-than-thou blacks, black politicians who are on their side can do no wrong. __________________ The Army is my husband's mistress and sometimes that bitch gets all the attention.

09-23-2005, 10:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
iburn One Very Hot Apple Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Washington Age: 29 Posts: 3,590 My Mood:	however, lets not forget that Dub-Ya continued playing golf & kickin' back after he heard about Hurricane Katrina's initial destruction to New Orleans....thats the best part __________________ *The world's a fiction and made up of contradiction.*

09-23-2005, 10:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
CuteKitten2C Sexy Party Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Washington Age: 25 Posts: 6,338 My Mood:	Yes but if he had already offered his support and resources way before it even happened then what was he supposed to do? He can not overstep his boundaires as far as state v. federal stuff goes. I am not saynig that it wasn't odd and that it was ok but it is unfair to blame everything on him like people have been doing. He is not God, he can not controlt he weather. All he can do is offer help and resources which he did before it even happened. If someone refused help, that is their fault not the person offering. __________________ The Army is my husband's mistress and sometimes that bitch gets all the attention.

09-23-2005, 01:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
iburn One Very Hot Apple Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Washington Age: 29 Posts: 3,590 My Mood:	nah, im not totally blaming him, but he does hold a big responsibilty- they all do....the whole situation with no rescue vehicles being sent even though vans & news crews could get in ok totally was unacceptable. __________________ *The world's a fiction and made up of contradiction.*

09-23-2005, 01:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
CuteKitten2C Sexy Party Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Washington Age: 25 Posts: 6,338 My Mood:	I agree that the whole thing was handled poorly. I am just saying that people who act like Bush sat back and did nothing are ignorant. If the major would have allowed all those busses to take people out before hand a lot of the death could have been avoided. The whole situation is just sad. And I think there was too much time and engergy put into blaming someone at the beging instead of concentrating on helping. __________________ The Army is my husband's mistress and sometimes that bitch gets all the attention.

09-23-2005, 02:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
Geronimo Krazed Addicted Master Join Date: May 2005 Location: Private Age: 34 Posts: 1,572 My Mood:	But see as far as that go's when Jeb finds that a hurricane is on the way to florida..He calls brother and says hey I am going to need some funds. He has not Forgotten that responsabillity as far as his Govanatorial Term has went. It has to be asked for...He calls out the National Guard..and calls Bubba. As For the Gov. of La. I read on one thing he did not even bother with calling the N.G. until the day it hit. When most of them had already flead for Ark. and Tex. Which will unfortunatly mean another Bush will run for Pres. __________________ *It was actually fun.*

09-23-2005, 09:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
iburn One Very Hot Apple Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Washington Age: 29 Posts: 3,590 My Mood:	__________________ *The world's a fiction and made up of contradiction.*

09-26-2005, 05:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
Johnboat Mondu's Sperm Bank Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Washington Age: 28 Posts: 3,345 My Mood:	Wow, this is why I'm looking forward to an investigation in to this whole thing. I've been reading more and more contradictory news articles concerning this whole thing. __________________ My cult like following is now taking applications.

09-27-2005, 11:30 AM	#9 (permalink)
texascwby692000 Banned BANNED Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Private Age: 32 Posts: 1,550 My Mood:	you know i have been reading alot about this also..... i have seen that most everyone wants to blame the President Bush for not acting quickly enough and blaming hime for everything that is and has happened there in LA.... now granted i am probably one of the few people here who actually like what he is doin.... but he cant be everywhere at the same time..... he gave LA money, he was there after all the storm had passed.... hell they had food and water there.... they just didnt like it...... all you have seen on the TV is that they didnt have food or water there.... BS!!!!!! they had bottled water and MRE's.... now granted MRE's SUCK BIG TIME.... but it was food.... i guess all i have to say is get off President Bush's ass.... he is doin what he can.....

09-28-2005, 12:07 AM	#11 (permalink)
Geronimo Krazed Addicted Master Join Date: May 2005 Location: Private Age: 34 Posts: 1,572 My Mood:	Look don't get what I have said before Wrong. I have voted for Republican Presidential Nomanee the last 3 votes now. and my thought is that if we were not in the republican war against terorists we would be in a war against the Comunists of either Korea or China that the last Occupant of the White House was trying to get us into. I would Rather our boys and girls be at home than fighting either of them. I just wish we would have some one besides the incumbant run for president some times. But its always no lets stay with what we have. __________________ *It was actually fun.*

09-28-2005, 12:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
RunsonInsanity Krazed Addicted Master Join Date: May 2005 Location: Virginia Age: 29 Posts: 1,913 My Mood:	I wouldn't get your hopes on those words Chris, because from what I hear, the war with China is NEXT! I have heard several people talking about it! __________________

09-28-2005, 12:35 AM	#13 (permalink)
Geronimo Krazed Addicted Master Join Date: May 2005 Location: Private Age: 34 Posts: 1,572 My Mood:	Oh I do not doubt it. and Hi by the way. __________________ *It was actually fun.*

09-28-2005, 12:37 AM	#14 (permalink)
RunsonInsanity Krazed Addicted Master Join Date: May 2005 Location: Virginia Age: 29 Posts: 1,913 My Mood:	Hi! Don't want Teresa to get mad with me for going off topic, or anything, but glad to see your back, and I missed ya, even though I haven't been around much myself! Gotta get in the bed though, the girls will be up early!!!!! __________________

09-28-2005, 01:01 AM	#15 (permalink)
Johnboat Mondu's Sperm Bank Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Washington Age: 28 Posts: 3,345 My Mood:	China, yup. Asia is an unstable region. Unstable enough that I'm surprised that it doesn't get more attention other than North Korea making headlines every once and awhile. Hell, Japan is preparing to rewrite its constitution. After WWII it was written in their constitution that they were to ONLY have DEFENSIVE armed forces. They're scared and now want to change that. Personally, I'm not scared of North Korea. It's the Cuba of the region. If anything is going to set off hostilities in that region it's when/if China stops making threats and actually attempts to invade Taiwan. I wrote a paper for a history class about five years ago that involved world super powers over the course of human history. At the end of the paper I put in a prediction: an Asian country would be the next super power after America fades/falls. __________________ My cult like following is now taking applications.

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